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Thanks for an interesting and more critical take on Andor. I think reading this has helped me be a little more grounded in my appreciation of the show as a work, even though I fully intend to remain obsessed with it.

You covered a lot of ground, so I'll just try to react/respond in broad strokes.

I think the pacing is more to my taste as I tend to enjoy long-windedness. That said, I wholly agree that the Cassian orphan planet backstory ended up being basically spurious, though I like that the sister is unresolved. To me, that reads not as something missing, but as Cassian dedicating himself to the real people, community, and purpose he's found, instead of the ghosts of the past.

I think Cassian fits best as a Forrest Gump type character; he's inexplicably always present at the crux of major events, a fact that the show notes/explains with its few allusions to the Force. Poor Cassian gets a much rawer deal from destiny than Luke. This format is at its best when Cassian is on Ghor, both times, and worst with the Mya Pei brigade.

Regarding Cassian's "will he, won't he" with the Rebellion, I think that the intended framing is: Post Narkina V prison planet/Rix Road revolt, Cassian needs to fight the empire, and devotes himself to Luthen. However, sustaining that impulse is hard-- Cassian is constantly torn between his commitment to his ideals and his commitments to Bix, Wilmon, etc. So it's less about the uncertainty in the outcome than understanding the journey. That said, this doesn't quite land for me due to the heavy handedness of Bix' departure making the choice for him, which may have read better with more seasons of development.

Ultimately, Cassian is charting a course from self-interested motives to galactic selflessness. (I want to find my sister -> I'm going to die for the galaxy's chance at freedom), and its these added stakes to the character that make him much more compelling when rewatching Rogue One.

I actually disagree with you regarding the necessity of showing the evil of the empire in detail compared to the OT. Andor evolves the empire from self-evidently evil because of manichaean evil Dark-Side tendencies, to a functioning bureaucratic state that many people live under, that does grinding, inexcusable evil in a way that the Syril's and Dedra's and Partagaz's of the galaxy can assent to as good. This is a much more mature and realistic kind of villainy, and it poses and then answers the question: what does it take to break out of such a system when you don't have a lightsaber?

Also, this is mass media. As a rule, if you think something is too heavy handed, there's a million viewers who still completely missed it.

You raised some good points with the character of Vel, who I think is a victim of "telling not showing." Luthen describes her and Cinta as top operatives, but we only see them on two missions that go awry. To Vel's credit, she and Mon have the least to lose of any of the characters; they have the familial wealth to simply post-up on a remote planet and ignore the empire for the rest of their lives. I think Vel is meant to ask the viewer "Why would someone who has access to the good life give it up to go live as a shepherd/guerilla on Aldhani?"

Unfortunately for Vel, Mon Mothma does a better job framing those exact questions, your questions about Chandrilan politics notwithstanding.

I won't rehash your praise of the many great performances in the show except to second them.

Per the interview you linked, Tony Gilroy has been studying authoritarianism and revolution for a long time. I think a lot of the power of this show stems from its ability to distill this history into a single coherent instant. In a media environment that is mostly fragmented noise, Andor rings clear:

"Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever screams at us the loudest."

I don't think I've quite said everything I want to, or said what I have as well as I'd like, but your essay provoked me to think more deeply about the show, so thank you.

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I’m somewhat more forgiving of dangling threads given the inherent uncertainty of how much show Gilroy was going to be allowed to make, although I agree that Andor got more flashbacks than necessary. Honestly all the Saw stuff felt more unnecessary. Yeah he’s an interesting character but nothing he does actually impacts the plot of Andor. Even his interactions with Wilmon don’t seem to change the Wilmon-Cassian-Bix dynamics in any meaningful way.

The Cassian “will he won’t he stay a Rebel” struck me as a missed opportunity, because with a few tweaks it could have been a question of whether he would ultimately become a Luthen true believer or strike his own path as a more humanist rebel. I honestly thought that’s where it was going, until the out-of-the-blue Bix abandonment. Why did he want to abandon the Rebels entirely, vs finding another role with a different leader? All the other Rebels low key hate Luthen too! Working with Draven to start the Rebel version of the OSS would have been an option.

Bix was an awkwardly tied up plot - they had to put her on a bus because she’s not there in Rogue One, but it’s like they ran out of time to come up with a good reason. So she bails on Cassian (after apparently getting pregnant with what’s implied to be his baby) because she cares so much about The Cause, but then she just goes and hangs out on a wheat farm safe house raising a kid? Her whole conflict with Cassian was that she felt undervalued and wanted a more active role where she wasn’t always being protected! I’m guessing with more seasons, a more “satisfying” tragic end to their relationship could have been arranged.

For me the biggest missed opportunity was that they never really engaged with the fact that *Cassian was absolutely right about the Ghorman resistance*. They were hotheaded and incompetent and ultimately played right into Imperial hands, accomplishing nothing but making it easier to sell the massacre as justified. You’d think Cassian would at least *mention* this. But Luthen was right too - Ghorman did burn bright. The show does a great job portraying the evil of the Empire, but it lets the Rebels off a bit easy - after all, the ISB and Luthen were essentially on the same side on Ghorman, intentionally ramping up the temperature to force a confrontation. They had different ultimate purposes, obviously, but both believed that the Ghorman massacre served their interests and considered the Ghormans themselves as little more than pawns for that purpose.

The show doesn’t really engage with this, which should have been a real crisis point between Cassian and Luthen (and the various factions they represent). Instead Ghorman just gives a reason for Mothma to give a speech directly to the audience and then we move on to the Death Star plot. Ultimately the writers do the same thing to Ghorman that the Rebels and Imperials did - use it to drive the plot and then lay it aside once that purpose is served.

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